About the podcast

At the Brink is a podcast about humanity's most terrible weapon and the stories of those who have shaped its history. Our work was inspired by former Secretary of Defense William Perry, who spent his life working to protect the world from nuclear disaster, and who believes that the risk of nuclear disaster is greater today than ever before. His granddaughter, a millennial who grew up in a post-Cold War world, and who learned about nuclear weapons in history class, went to learn the real story by interviewing presidents, cabinet members, congressmen, scientists, historians, atomic bomb survivors, military officials, and activists.


Lisa Perry 
The Host

Lisa Perry believes her generation would become as active in this issue as in global warming or other social justice issues if they're merely made aware that a nuclear threat is not hypothetical, but real. "It should be something we talk about, that we get to decide on because it affects all of us," she says.


Dr. William J. Perry
The Visionary

In a remarkable career that has spanned academia, industry, entrepreneurship, government, and diplomacy, Bill Perry has dealt firsthand with the changing nuclear threat, most notably as Secretary of Defense under President Bill Clinton. His 2015 memoir, My Journey at the Nuclear Brink, is a personal account of his lifelong effort to reduce nuclear dangers. He founded the William J. Perry Project to educate the public on these dangers. In 2020 Perry co-authored along with Tom Collina THE BUTTON: The New Nuclear Arms Race and Presidential Power from Truman to Trump. He is the Michael and Barbara Berberian Professor (emeritus) at Stanford University. He is a husband, father of five, grandfather of eight, and a great-grandfather of four (soon to be five!). He continues to travel the world in pursuit of his goal to eliminate the danger of nuclear weapons.

Lisa and her grandfather in photos


Creative Team